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let's go offense the cliff. >> we have two cameras outside the white house right now. that one i believe is perched on pennsylvania avenue and we have another camera which is perched facing the side entrance. those are the suvs that likely boehner, mcconnell, pelosi and reid will come out of. let's talk about the deal. what if there's a deal, craig, for, i don't know, say 4 hr $500,000 the threshold of who gets taxes and who keeps -- everybody under that number keeps their tax cuts. everyone over pays more and there's spending cuts. is that a bad deal? >> yeah. i think it is. let me tell you why. because you can't get everything out of this deal that you want and frankly, all we're doing is kicking the can down the road. you know as well as i do this does nothing to deal with the $1 trillion plus deficits we have yearly. this is the fifth year in a row, we're going to have $20 trillion worth of debt on top of $48 trillion worth a long-term liabilities by the time mr. obama leaves office. this is the time to deal with this issue. we've been kicking it down the road ten
let's go offense the cliff. >> we have two cameras outside the white house right now. that one i believe is perched on pennsylvania avenue and we have another camera which is perched facing the side entrance. those are the suvs that likely boehner, mcconnell, pelosi and reid will come out of. let's talk about the deal. what if there's a deal, craig, for, i don't know, say 4 hr $500,000 the threshold of who gets taxes and who keeps -- everybody under that number keeps their tax cuts....
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with less than five days to go before falls right off the fiscal cliff. the senate back in session today and it's the first time the senate or house has met for business between christmas and new year's in more than four decades. president obama cut his hawaii trip short arriving in washington early today. for now, the house of representatives is not in session but we've learned those lawmakers are set to return this weekend. today the senate majority leader, harry reid, says we've just about run out of time. >> if we go over the cliff, and that's where we're headed, mr. president, the house of representatives as we speak with four days left after today before the first of the year, aren't here with the speaker having told them they'll give them 48 hours notice. i can't imagine their consciences, out wherever they are around the country and we're here trying to get something done. >> we're awaiting reaction from the senate minority leader, mitch mcconnell. when that happens we'll go live to the senate floor but a spokesman for john boehner says senator re
with less than five days to go before falls right off the fiscal cliff. the senate back in session today and it's the first time the senate or house has met for business between christmas and new year's in more than four decades. president obama cut his hawaii trip short arriving in washington early today. for now, the house of representatives is not in session but we've learned those lawmakers are set to return this weekend. today the senate majority leader, harry reid, says we've just about...
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cliff thing they throw boehner over the edge or start the process for removing boehner? seems if anything, again, as a pragmatic matter that even maybe hurts the republicans more or is it right? is anthony right that you are going to lose ground anyway so you might as well stick to your first principles and look at what happened to george h.w. bush after he went back on his tax no tax pledge. >> if he can't lead and offer solutions he probably shouldn't be there. there is a great game as to if not he, who. that is a fair question. these things happen fast. i'm not saying that it will. the only people that can really counter are the 435 members in there. they know what is happening on the inside. >> laura: what should he do? >> offer a solution. >> laura: what solution? he tried to offer. >> offer a bold solution and go out to america and debate it and don't do secret meetings. we had two years of simpson bowles and knew this was coming. debate the concepts with america and continue debating them. >> laura: don't worry about the fiscal cliff. >> push us off. we may need i
cliff thing they throw boehner over the edge or start the process for removing boehner? seems if anything, again, as a pragmatic matter that even maybe hurts the republicans more or is it right? is anthony right that you are going to lose ground anyway so you might as well stick to your first principles and look at what happened to george h.w. bush after he went back on his tax no tax pledge. >> if he can't lead and offer solutions he probably shouldn't be there. there is a great game as...
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is not only facing a fiscal cliff, it's up a dairy clarify, if you will. the current farm bill is set to expire on new year's day. if an extension of that is not passed, the farm policies would revert to laws back to 1949 and cost of milk, that could skyrocket. back then the government used a formula to calculate dairy prices that is much more expensive than it is today. one option said to be on the table is short term extension that would prevent milk prices from rising. >> arthel: to other stories. a judge ordering a psychiatric evaluation for a woman suspected of shoving a man off a new york public is way platform. he was arraigned last night on murder and hate crime. she confessed to pushing a man in front of a moving train telling them, i hindus and muslims. co-worker was was behind due. >> gregg: two missing boys from georgia have been found in texas an amber alert was issued, ages nine and seven when they didn't come back from a visit from their dad on wednesday. somebody recognized the trio and caught up with them in austin. now their father is fac
is not only facing a fiscal cliff, it's up a dairy clarify, if you will. the current farm bill is set to expire on new year's day. if an extension of that is not passed, the farm policies would revert to laws back to 1949 and cost of milk, that could skyrocket. back then the government used a formula to calculate dairy prices that is much more expensive than it is today. one option said to be on the table is short term extension that would prevent milk prices from rising. >> arthel: to...
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gregg: the fiscal cliff is not the only threat facing the u.s. economy right now. shipments of all kinds could actually be stuck on cargo ships if a longshoreman strike goes ahead as planned. the stakes for the recovery coming up. patti ann: high noon in those fiscal cliff negotiations. >> nothing have move forward in regards to our budget crisis unless speaker boehner and mitch mcconnell will go forward with our plan. speaker boehner is willing to negotiate, we have not heard a word from mitch mcconnell, and nothing is hang. patti ann: chris vanhollen joins us next. pwhrafp [ woman ] ring. ring. progresso. i just finished a bowl of your new light chicken pot pie soup and it's so rich and creamy... is it really 100 calories? let me put you on webcan... ...lean roasted chicken... and a creamy broth mmm i can still see you. [ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste this soup. . patti ann: fox news alert, potentially good news for the nation's housing market. pending home sales, which measure homes that are in contract and about to be sold rose 1.7% in november to
gregg: the fiscal cliff is not the only threat facing the u.s. economy right now. shipments of all kinds could actually be stuck on cargo ships if a longshoreman strike goes ahead as planned. the stakes for the recovery coming up. patti ann: high noon in those fiscal cliff negotiations. >> nothing have move forward in regards to our budget crisis unless speaker boehner and mitch mcconnell will go forward with our plan. speaker boehner is willing to negotiate, we have not heard a word from...
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and right now, the fiscal cliff hanging over the nation, you've heard gerri talk about it, we'll see the deadline, will it happen less than 29 hours away. we'll talk with a lawmaker who thinks the president wants -- wants to go over the fiscal cliff. why? i'll ask him. [ male announcer ] this is sheldo whose long day setting up the news starts with arthritis pain and a choice. take tylenol or take aleve, the #1 recommended pain reliever by orthopedic doctors. just two aleve can keep pain away all day. back to the news. just two aleve can keep pain away all day. you know it even after all these years. but your erectile dysfunction - you know,that could be a question of blood flow. cialis tadalafil for daily use helps you be ready anytime the moment's right. you can be more confident in your ability to be ready. and the same cialis is the only daily ed tablet approved to treat ed and symptoms of bph, like needingo go frequently or urgently. tell your doctor about all your medical conditions and medications, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sexual activity. do not take cialis
and right now, the fiscal cliff hanging over the nation, you've heard gerri talk about it, we'll see the deadline, will it happen less than 29 hours away. we'll talk with a lawmaker who thinks the president wants -- wants to go over the fiscal cliff. why? i'll ask him. [ male announcer ] this is sheldo whose long day setting up the news starts with arthritis pain and a choice. take tylenol or take aleve, the #1 recommended pain reliever by orthopedic doctors. just two aleve can keep pain away...
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. >> all right. as we continue the special fiscal cliff edition of hannity, we continue to monitor. tonight we will be joined by our panel and then later tonight new york governor andrew cuomo takes a very controversial stance on gun control. when it comes to weapons, he's mentioning the word con first indication. >> con first indication could be an option, right? >> yeah we've never done that before. >> and mandatory sale to the state could be an option. >> that's a form of confiscation. [ laughter ] smoke? nah, i'm good. ♪ [ male announcer ] every time you say no to a cigarette, you celebrate a little win. nicoderm cq, the patch with time release smart control technology that acts fast and helps control cravings all day long. ♪ quit one day at a time with nicoderm cq. time for citi price rewind. because your daughter really wants that pink castle thing. and you realldon't want to pay more than you have to. only citi price rewind automatically searches for the lowest price. and if it findone, you get refunded the difference. just use your citi card and register your purchase on
. >> all right. as we continue the special fiscal cliff edition of hannity, we continue to monitor. tonight we will be joined by our panel and then later tonight new york governor andrew cuomo takes a very controversial stance on gun control. when it comes to weapons, he's mentioning the word con first indication. >> con first indication could be an option, right? >> yeah we've never done that before. >> and mandatory sale to the state could be an option. >> that's...
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>> ed, truth be known, and we see this fiscal cliff and the calamity of the day on january 1st, tonight is true the white house dot much care if they get it on the first or the fifth? >> reporter: you're right, with withholding, some people will not feel the effects of a tax increase the first couple of days, you might have time to finagle that, the treasury department has that authority. the fact of the matter, what they're more nervous about in the white house and republicans on the hill are unclear what will happen. will it be a tarp moment like in 2008 when the tarp legislation got voted down and president bush was imploring the fell mrow republicans. it's a bitter pill to swallow. they voted it down and the markets plunged 5, 600, 700 points and everybody figured it out. what's going to happen with the markets, they're closed new years day, but when they open january 2nd, we have several consecutive days the markets have gone down not by a ton, but if they're plunging on january 2nd, that's what they're more nervous about. >> andrea. >> we've heard a lot of names in these behind cl
>> ed, truth be known, and we see this fiscal cliff and the calamity of the day on january 1st, tonight is true the white house dot much care if they get it on the first or the fifth? >> reporter: you're right, with withholding, some people will not feel the effects of a tax increase the first couple of days, you might have time to finagle that, the treasury department has that authority. the fact of the matter, what they're more nervous about in the white house and republicans on...
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covering all things fiscal cliff. by the way, under two hours to 2013 and bill and megyn having fun out there on times square. you can see them here tonight i promise. we won't do all fiscal cliff. maybe a little. keep it here. ♪ aww man. [ male announcer ] returns are easy with free pickup from the u.s. postal service. we'll even drop off boxes if you need them. visit usps.com pay, print, and have it picked up for free. any time of year. ♪ nice sweater. thank you. ♪ for their annual football trip. that's double miles you can actually use. tragically, their ddy got sacked by blackouts. but it's our tradition! that's roughing the card holder. but with the capital one venture card you get double miles you can actually use. [ cheering ] any flight, anytime. the scoreboard doesn't lie. what's in your wallet? hut! i have me on my fantasy team. >> bret: this is a fox news alert. i'm bret baier in washington covering the fiscal cliff issue as the senate democrats are meeting with vice president biden at this hour tryin
covering all things fiscal cliff. by the way, under two hours to 2013 and bill and megyn having fun out there on times square. you can see them here tonight i promise. we won't do all fiscal cliff. maybe a little. keep it here. ♪ aww man. [ male announcer ] returns are easy with free pickup from the u.s. postal service. we'll even drop off boxes if you need them. visit usps.com pay, print, and have it picked up for free. any time of year. ♪ nice sweater. thank you. ♪ for their annual...
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the fiscal cliff happening right now. what kind of government should we have and what sort of taxes and spending and who should pay what and end the year with a story about everything that touching scenion do with government that we have been arguing about since the start of the election. >> greta: let's have some fun stuff. linn sanity. >> i particularly enjoyed linn sanity. a wonderful story because he was a guy who came from out of no where who had been cut, released, overlooked by other people but also just didn't fit the type of an nba star are that we see in the modern era. an asian american. a short guy who basically took hold of the team in the biggest media market in the country and led the new york nixon this terrific winning streak. petered out a little bit. still needs to work on turnovers. having mixed success in houston. that was sentimentally that was my favorite story of the year. >> greta: for 2013, pay attention to africa. you mentioned the arab spring but i think africa is and what is going on there wil
the fiscal cliff happening right now. what kind of government should we have and what sort of taxes and spending and who should pay what and end the year with a story about everything that touching scenion do with government that we have been arguing about since the start of the election. >> greta: let's have some fun stuff. linn sanity. >> i particularly enjoyed linn sanity. a wonderful story because he was a guy who came from out of no where who had been cut, released, overlooked...
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cliff still in play right now. in a desperate race against a different clock, we have another free-flowing, fluid situation tonight. likely a lot of breaking news from capitol hill. we begin with fox team coverage. chief washington correspondent ed henry looks at the president's next move. chief congressional correspondent mike emanuel on where this all stands at this moment. we start with mike and i say "at this moment" because it has been every moment changing throughout the day. >> that's right. good evening to you. house republican leaders spent time behind closed doors with the members trying to figure out a way forward. the bombshell announce fire department the house majority announcement today was he does not support the compromise. house republicans are complaining about a deal they did not negotiate about the lack of spending cuts. >> consensus that we have to in some ways address spending. people told me, they would rather increase taxes but we need to cut spending. >> part of the problem is it includes
cliff still in play right now. in a desperate race against a different clock, we have another free-flowing, fluid situation tonight. likely a lot of breaking news from capitol hill. we begin with fox team coverage. chief washington correspondent ed henry looks at the president's next move. chief congressional correspondent mike emanuel on where this all stands at this moment. we start with mike and i say "at this moment" because it has been every moment changing throughout the day....
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over the fiscal cliff becomes greater by the hour, what does it mean to you, the american taxpayer, and your wallet. we have broken down the most important things everyone must know if we do in fact go over the cliff. joining me is charles payne and --. >> i'm actually with brite-bart news, just to let you know. >> okay, i apologize. let's start with the basics. what does this mean for the average american if, in fact, december 31st comes and goes we go over the cliff? keri? >> first of all, it will be like a twilight zone for a lot of people in the middle class. it's almost like you will have a number of people who were trying to actually get into the upper income levels and then all of a sudden rod sterling is going to come along and say, yeah, guess what, you are rich, but you are going to lose everything. for one thing, we are going to see the -- we are going to see a number of people lose their jobs. about 3.4 million jobs are projected to be lost according to the cbo. we are also going to see the obamacare tax hikes hit us if you don't have healthcare then you are going to be hit
over the fiscal cliff becomes greater by the hour, what does it mean to you, the american taxpayer, and your wallet. we have broken down the most important things everyone must know if we do in fact go over the cliff. joining me is charles payne and --. >> i'm actually with brite-bart news, just to let you know. >> okay, i apologize. let's start with the basics. what does this mean for the average american if, in fact, december 31st comes and goes we go over the cliff? keri?...
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, is that the right way to start the negotiation with two days left before the fiscal cliff or shouldn't he sit down and hammer out a deal with the senate republicans and house republicans. do you think a deal gets done? >> i do think a deal will get done. i think it might january 1st. i think we will briefly go over the fiscal cliff. the president worked on the issue months and months. the entire "crisis" is an issue of congress' own making . he was taping the meet the press on saturday. house republicans were cozy and doing nothing on the fiscal cliff. john bone bone took himself out of the negotiations and abdicated responsibility and said he would dole with whatever the senate and president had come to. i happening there is a lot of good proprosals on the table and something will get done, too. >> dave: it appears that senate republicans came a long way in sharing their desire for no taxes raised on the wealthy. $550,000 thres hold for couples is a significant compromise. but can they get anything through the house in terms of getting republican votes today? >> i don't think that wil
, is that the right way to start the negotiation with two days left before the fiscal cliff or shouldn't he sit down and hammer out a deal with the senate republicans and house republicans. do you think a deal gets done? >> i do think a deal will get done. i think it might january 1st. i think we will briefly go over the fiscal cliff. the president worked on the issue months and months. the entire "crisis" is an issue of congress' own making . he was taping the meet the press on...
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cliff that will stop sequestration from going into effect. so the way things stand right now, secretary panetta will need to send 800,000 layoff notices to defense contractors on tuesday. >> if the president doesn't deal with this then he is a lousy commander in chief. if there is a deal done that doesn't set aside the defense cuts because we have is already cut $489 billion out of the defense department, then i'm very disappoin disappointed ine president as commander in keefe and disappointed in the republican party for allowing this to even be a possibility because the party of ronald reagan would never let this happen. >> the sequester s a self-imposed punishment put in place when the bipartisan supercommittee couldn't come together to pick and choose $1.2 trillion worth of cuts that would have been easier to live with. now, the automatic cuts will be across-the-board and president obama's solution to soften the blow of the sequester is to raise taxes on the rich. >> if we have raised some revenue you by wealthy paying a little bit more th
cliff that will stop sequestration from going into effect. so the way things stand right now, secretary panetta will need to send 800,000 layoff notices to defense contractors on tuesday. >> if the president doesn't deal with this then he is a lousy commander in chief. if there is a deal done that doesn't set aside the defense cuts because we have is already cut $489 billion out of the defense department, then i'm very disappoin disappointed ine president as commander in keefe and...
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and the senate will get to work on sunday to try to prevent our nation from plunging right over the fiscal cliff. a bill should be ready to vote on they say. that's the word today from the senate majority leader harry reid hours after that big meeting between the president and top lawmakers at the white house. and you can bet the clock is ticking. congress and the president have fewer than four days to sign off on a deal. before those tough spending cuts kick in and the taxes go up on nearly every american. mike emanuel live for us tonight by phone from capitol hill. mike, what is next? >> well, harris, everybody agrees the next step is trying to move a bipartisan plan in the senate. majority leader harry reid recognizes this is a critical time. we have a lot meeting in the white house very con struck stif. we hope that it will bear fruit. we hope the next 24 hours will be very instructive as to what we're able to accomplish. >> in order to make that happen, the senate will not be in session tomorrow, harris. >> do they generally agree with the democratic perspective here on whether or not
and the senate will get to work on sunday to try to prevent our nation from plunging right over the fiscal cliff. a bill should be ready to vote on they say. that's the word today from the senate majority leader harry reid hours after that big meeting between the president and top lawmakers at the white house. and you can bet the clock is ticking. congress and the president have fewer than four days to sign off on a deal. before those tough spending cuts kick in and the taxes go up on nearly...
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the fiscal cliff battle continues right up to the very end. when we come back, former governor bill richardson will attempt to explain where president obama's leadership has been on the fiscal cliff showdown. a hannity one on one shootout and then senator dianne feinstein is introducing a new assault weapons ban and believe it or not she s actually now talking about gun owners being registered and fingerprinted. we will get to that and much more. [ lisa ] my name's lisa, and chantix helped me quit. i honestly loved smoking, and i honestly didn't think i would ever quit. [ male announcer ] along with support, chantix is proven to help people quit smoking. it reduces the urge to smoke. it put me at ease that you could smoke on the first week. [ male announcer ] some people had changes in behavior, thinking or mood, hostility, agitation, depressed mood and suicidal thoughts or actions while taking or after stopping chantix. if you notice any of these stop taking chantix and call your doctor right away. tell your doctor about any history of depres
the fiscal cliff battle continues right up to the very end. when we come back, former governor bill richardson will attempt to explain where president obama's leadership has been on the fiscal cliff showdown. a hannity one on one shootout and then senator dianne feinstein is introducing a new assault weapons ban and believe it or not she s actually now talking about gun owners being registered and fingerprinted. we will get to that and much more. [ lisa ] my name's lisa, and chantix helped me...
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the fiscal cliff battle continues right up to the very end. when we come back, former governor bill richardson will attempt to explain where president obama's leadership has been on the fiscal cliff showdown. a hannity one on one shootout and then senator dianne feinstein is introducing a new assault weapons ban and believe it or not she s actually now talking about gun owners being registered and fingerprinted. we will get to that and much we will get to that and much let's give thanks - for an idea. a grand idea called america. the idea that if you work hard, if you have a dream, if you work with your neighbors... you can do most anything. this led to other ideas like lerty and rock 'n' roll. to free markets, free enterprise, and free refills. it put a man on the moon and a phone in your pocket. our country's gone through a lot over the centuries and a half. but this idea isn't fragile. when times get tough, it rallies us as one. every day, more people believe in the american idea and when they do, the dream comes true. we're grateful to be
the fiscal cliff battle continues right up to the very end. when we come back, former governor bill richardson will attempt to explain where president obama's leadership has been on the fiscal cliff showdown. a hannity one on one shootout and then senator dianne feinstein is introducing a new assault weapons ban and believe it or not she s actually now talking about gun owners being registered and fingerprinted. we will get to that and much we will get to that and much let's give thanks - for...
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the fiscal cliff battle continues right up to the very end. when we come back, former governor bill richardson will attempt to explain where president obama's leadership has been on the fiscal cliff showdown. a hannity one on one shootout and then senator dianne feinstein is introducing a new assault weapons ban and believe it or not she s actually now talking about gun owners being registered and fingerprinted. we will get to that and much >> sean: as president obama continues to place the blame on congressional leaders for the looming fiscal cliff disaster. the president seems to be he okay with this happening. why? because if obama stood up and showed real leadership there be consequences for him. this could impact the radical agenda he plans to put forth in a second term. senator john kerry awaits his confirmation hearings to begin and republicans are saying not so fast and demanding current secretary of state hillary clinton testify on benghazi before any confirmation hearings begin. joining me with reaction to all this and much more is f
the fiscal cliff battle continues right up to the very end. when we come back, former governor bill richardson will attempt to explain where president obama's leadership has been on the fiscal cliff showdown. a hannity one on one shootout and then senator dianne feinstein is introducing a new assault weapons ban and believe it or not she s actually now talking about gun owners being registered and fingerprinted. we will get to that and much >> sean: as president obama continues to place...
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there are some strategist who is have said that the fiscal cliff won't hit the economy right away. tell actually give lawmakers more time to continue negotiating. but how long can our economy take the uncertainty? >> it is not just uncertainty. we have had that factored in. the reality is that unless the president suspends the increase in payroll taxes that are going to take place, not just social security, but withholding for income tax, while they continue to negotiate, we have gone off the cliff. in the month of january, people will live off their credit cards, but they can only do that so long. come february and march, the higher taxes will require adjustments in the spending habits of folk who is make between $25,000 and $100,000 a year. i would point out that this is no reason to give the president everything he wants and pass that bill that he proposes because if the republicans do that, they lose all their leverage. i have news for most people. if we dont curb our spending, everybody's going to have to pay the higher taxes in the end because things are flying out of ceil. >
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on fiscal cliff. you can see the dow is down about 60 points right now. hovering just above the 13,000 mark. >>> well risking life and limb to save a man and a dog from an icy lake. plus a look at the top stories of the year involving news media. those stories just ahead. jon: well, another big year for news with some major headlines involving the news media. let's talk about the big stories of this year just ending. christie setzer is president of new heights communication. she was spokesperson for vermont governor howard dean. cal thomas a syndicated columnist and fox news contributor. cal, start with you. when it cops to media mistakes, missteps, whatever, what's the big story of the year now ending? >> oh, golly there were so many, jon. during the republican presidential primaries you saw newt gingrich taking on the host of that debate. republicans never lose when they take on the media. but i think what republicans ought to do, the next time around is not to fall into this template that allows these liberal hosts to question them, often from a negati
on fiscal cliff. you can see the dow is down about 60 points right now. hovering just above the 13,000 mark. >>> well risking life and limb to save a man and a dog from an icy lake. plus a look at the top stories of the year involving news media. those stories just ahead. jon: well, another big year for news with some major headlines involving the news media. let's talk about the big stories of this year just ending. christie setzer is president of new heights communication. she was...
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the fiscal cliff battle continues right up to the very end. when we come back, former governor bill richardson will attempt to explain where president obama's leadership has been on the fiscal cliff showdown. a hannity one on one shootout and then senator dianne feinstein is introducing a new assault weapons ban and believe it or not she s actually now talking about gun owners being registered and fingerprinted. we will get to that and much we will get to that and much [ woman ] we knew it was gonna be bad, but never like this. the red cross was down here all the time. [ man ] they've given us a lot of heart. in times of need, they're there. ♪ [ kerry ] my dad was watching his house burn. he turned around, and all of a sudden, therwas this guy standing there from the red cross. at a point where i had just lost everything, the idea that there was someone there... that's an amazing thing. ♪ but with advair, i'm breathing better. so now i can be in the scene. advair is clinically proven to help significantly improve lung function. unlike most
the fiscal cliff battle continues right up to the very end. when we come back, former governor bill richardson will attempt to explain where president obama's leadership has been on the fiscal cliff showdown. a hannity one on one shootout and then senator dianne feinstein is introducing a new assault weapons ban and believe it or not she s actually now talking about gun owners being registered and fingerprinted. we will get to that and much we will get to that and much [ woman ] we knew it was...
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right now word of progress on capitol hill in the last minute talks to avoid the fiscal cliff. barbara boxer is talking right there on the senate floor of the house and senate both in rare new year's eve sessions today ahead of the deadline that triggers across the board tax hikes with dramatic cuts in military and domestic spending. joining us now bob cusack the manage evening editor of the hill the. great to have you here today. >> great to be here. >> many americans are frustrated that congress has taken us to the brink once again with little or no progress. what are you hearing at this moment? is there progress at this time? >> well, we are hearing that there has been progress between vice president biden and senate minority leader mitch mcconnell. still we are nearly 12 hours from the cliff. we don't have a bill. there has actually been a stunning lack of urgency on cant toll hill. on the default showdown, the government shut down there was more urgency. here there just isn't that urgency, maybe because the markets haven't been the roller coaster we thought they would be.
right now word of progress on capitol hill in the last minute talks to avoid the fiscal cliff. barbara boxer is talking right there on the senate floor of the house and senate both in rare new year's eve sessions today ahead of the deadline that triggers across the board tax hikes with dramatic cuts in military and domestic spending. joining us now bob cusack the manage evening editor of the hill the. great to have you here today. >> great to be here. >> many americans are...
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harris: president obama cutting his vacation short to avoid the fiscal cliff but house speaker john boehner says the people who need to take action are not in the oval office. >>> as the investigation continues into the deaths of four americans in libya we're learning people who were initially blamed are back on the payroll with little or no punishment. >>> unbelievable video. some aquariumgoers getting way too close to a real live shark. as close as you can get without becoming dinner. it is all "happening now." harris: hello, everyone, i'm harris faulkner, in today for jenna lee. jon: nice to have you up here in the big studio instead of down in the newsroom. harris: good to be here. jon: i'm jon scott. there is deadly weather pounding the united states. a powerful winter storm bringing snow and driving rain to the northeast. blizzard conditions in some areas. it is the same system that brought winter storms and tornados to the south and midwest. at least 12 people have died in this system. we're seeing major travel problems today as well. some areas are getting slammed all night long. an
harris: president obama cutting his vacation short to avoid the fiscal cliff but house speaker john boehner says the people who need to take action are not in the oval office. >>> as the investigation continues into the deaths of four americans in libya we're learning people who were initially blamed are back on the payroll with little or no punishment. >>> unbelievable video. some aquariumgoers getting way too close to a real live shark. as close as you can get without...
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now they are losing a deal on the fiscal cliff so there's no surprise they are losing hope for the future a new washington news poll says 70% of the gop is fearful about what lies ahead in 2013. all right. so let's take a look at this. 72% of republicans say they are very fearful wishes is up by double digits in what they were under president george w. bush and much higher, double digits up from 53% i guess when president obama took office. so, greg, are republicans just more grounded in reason so they are seeing the future as a real nail-biter because they are more focused, they get it more than liberals? >> conservatives in the republican party are like vampire killers. the liberals are generally hate the vampire killers because they are the bloodsuckers. so obviously the republicans are terrified the government is expanding and they are pessimistic about it where the liberals are hopeful because the vampires have the keys to the blood bank. >> did you you just watch "twilight?" >> i just watched "let the right one in" a finish vampire movie which is why that is on my head. >> you are v
now they are losing a deal on the fiscal cliff so there's no surprise they are losing hope for the future a new washington news poll says 70% of the gop is fearful about what lies ahead in 2013. all right. so let's take a look at this. 72% of republicans say they are very fearful wishes is up by double digits in what they were under president george w. bush and much higher, double digits up from 53% i guess when president obama took office. so, greg, are republicans just more grounded in reason...
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losing ground for negotiation on deal for fiscal cliff so no surprise they are using hope for the future. "washington post"/abc news poll says 72% of the g.o.p. is fearful about what lies ahead in 2013. all right, so let's take a look at the 72% of republicans say they are very fearful, which is up by double digits than what they were i guess under president bush. so greg, are republicans more grounded in reason, they see the future as nail biter? >> greg: conservatives are vampire killers. liberals hate the vampire killers. so the republicans are terrified that the government is expanding. the vampires are hopeful. >> andrea: have you been watching "twilights >> greg: i have been home with the flu watching vampire movies. >> andrea: noah's neighbors were hopeful for the future, too. >> kimberly: they're hopeful because the guys got in. they are entitlement dancing over their head. i would be in a good mood, too. people who are realistics that earn a living and pull out the wallet to pay for stuff. you got worries. look at the numbers for holiday shopping. worst in four years. what does
losing ground for negotiation on deal for fiscal cliff so no surprise they are using hope for the future. "washington post"/abc news poll says 72% of the g.o.p. is fearful about what lies ahead in 2013. all right, so let's take a look at the 72% of republicans say they are very fearful, which is up by double digits than what they were i guess under president bush. so greg, are republicans more grounded in reason, they see the future as nail biter? >> greg: conservatives are...
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brad, the fiscal cliff is one of the reasons why people are so incredibly gloomy about the future, and, you know, dick's making the point here when speaker john boehner can't even get his own party to follow him and put up a vote on his plan, i mean, aren't republicans equally to blame for the public's profound pessimism? >> well, we have a divided nation, that is for sure. this president has not done his job in leading, and had he done his job in leading especially in the fiscal cliff, he wouldn't be in hawaii now, he'd be in washington making sure that we had a deal -- gregg: has boehner done his job? >> boehner has done a great job in trying to lead republicans to a solution. gregg: seriously? >> absolutely. gregg: he can't even get a vote on his own plan, come on. >> here's the problem, gregg, is we have a president who basically says it's his way or the highway, and republicans are saying, no, we will raise revenue, but we won't do it at the expense of spending. our problem is a president who loves to spend money, who's now put down another $6 trillion in debt, and basically wants
brad, the fiscal cliff is one of the reasons why people are so incredibly gloomy about the future, and, you know, dick's making the point here when speaker john boehner can't even get his own party to follow him and put up a vote on his plan, i mean, aren't republicans equally to blame for the public's profound pessimism? >> well, we have a divided nation, that is for sure. this president has not done his job in leading, and had he done his job in leading especially in the fiscal cliff,...
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ed it seems for the first time we might really go off the fiscal cliff which is something that you or so many of us in washington never believed would happen. >> reporter: you're right, kelly. i mean for the longest time there was an expectation in both parties there would be a lot of fighting but right up against the christmas holiday they would finally somehow work this out. that is traditionally what happens on capitol hill. this time as you say leaders in both parties now bracing for the real possibility that we will go off that fiscal cliff, and that tax increases will go across the board for everybody, basically, go back to the old pre-bush rates number one, and number two that there are massive spending cuts that are supposed to kick in at the beginning of january, hit the benghaz pentagon benghazreally hard. lindsey graham says he wants to see spending cuts. >> if you want leaders then have you to lead. the president has been a pathetic fiscal leader, he's produced three budgets and can't get one vote for any of this is budgets. i would vote for revenues including tax-rate hik
ed it seems for the first time we might really go off the fiscal cliff which is something that you or so many of us in washington never believed would happen. >> reporter: you're right, kelly. i mean for the longest time there was an expectation in both parties there would be a lot of fighting but right up against the christmas holiday they would finally somehow work this out. that is traditionally what happens on capitol hill. this time as you say leaders in both parties now bracing for...
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now, the fiscal cliff. and the fact that the president wanted to tax the wealthy at a higher rate than what the middle class would get. there is something we might be able to learn from what's going on in france right now? >> i think the thing to learn at the moment that they've been trying in france is probably second nature to an american. what they're trying to learn in france is that it's not bad news to be an entrepreneur. if you have this entrepreneur spirit, you can do it. but you do have to put things in slowly and to reach out and i think that's where the president of france has lost a lot of ground. he didn't get a lot of people on his side, even though he said that this tax hike would only be for a very small proportion of the population and would only be for two years. but because it was seen to have been rushed through, not properly spelled out, it was difficult. >> kelly: one final question, if i may, what kind of deficit reduction would this tax be able to provide for the people of france, if
now, the fiscal cliff. and the fact that the president wanted to tax the wealthy at a higher rate than what the middle class would get. there is something we might be able to learn from what's going on in france right now? >> i think the thing to learn at the moment that they've been trying in france is probably second nature to an american. what they're trying to learn in france is that it's not bad news to be an entrepreneur. if you have this entrepreneur spirit, you can do it. but you...
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patti ann: yet another fiscal cliff concern. the price of milk, if congress doesn't take action before new year's day the price could more than double. dominic di-natale is live in los angeles right now to explain for us. hi, dominic. >> reporter: hi, patti ann. milk could reach eight bucks a gallon. currently $3.65. a bill that covers billions of dollars in agricultural subsidies. if they don't do that government will have to buy up massive quantities of milk because of outdated 1949 law. they could sell their milk directly to the government first, would be obliged to pay twice the market rate. that would create a milk shortage and spike the prices consumers pay. the senate passed a farm bill. agricultural committee passed a similar bill. they are not identical. differences aren't so wide just that the full house of representatives hasn't approved the bill and it has come down to the wire, patti ann. >> the farm bill is low hanging ornament on the congressional christmas tree, if they just embrace it, they can automatically com
patti ann: yet another fiscal cliff concern. the price of milk, if congress doesn't take action before new year's day the price could more than double. dominic di-natale is live in los angeles right now to explain for us. hi, dominic. >> reporter: hi, patti ann. milk could reach eight bucks a gallon. currently $3.65. a bill that covers billions of dollars in agricultural subsidies. if they don't do that government will have to buy up massive quantities of milk because of outdated 1949...
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right now we have very well leverage in the debate over the fiscal cliff because that stuff happens automatically but the idea of a debt ceiling increase, they've told obama if you want a trillion dollars in higher debt and he needs that eight times in the next decade, you have to cut spending a trillion dollars. >> here, i'll ask you again. 0 i'm a republican congressman and i signed your tax pledge to not raise taxes. if someone says here's a bill that says if you sign this we will cut taxes for 98% of americans. how could you say no? my point is, the administration is winning the war of optics. if they played it out this way, do they not win? >> well, they've won the war of optics so far because everything's been done in camera. it's been done inside closed walls. if c-span and fox and -- were able to videotape the negotiations, the kind of thing we're learning now about how obama said i have no interesting in cutting spending, he's been lying for two months about his negotiationing position in the room. if people knew that, there would be serious unhappiness in his lack of seriousness with cu
right now we have very well leverage in the debate over the fiscal cliff because that stuff happens automatically but the idea of a debt ceiling increase, they've told obama if you want a trillion dollars in higher debt and he needs that eight times in the next decade, you have to cut spending a trillion dollars. >> here, i'll ask you again. 0 i'm a republican congressman and i signed your tax pledge to not raise taxes. if someone says here's a bill that says if you sign this we will cut...
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gregg: congressional leaders are on the floor right now talking about the fiscal cliff. this after senate majority leader harry reid said, yesterday, a significant distance remains in negotiations on resolving this. notwithstanding then about 48 hours of intense talks about spending and social security. >> i was really gratified to hear the republicans taking their demand for social security benefit cuts off the table. the truth is they should have never been on the table to begin with. there is still significant difference between the two sides but negotiations continue. >> i'm concerned about the lack of urgency here. we all know we're running out of time. this is far too much at stake for political gamesmanship. we need to protect the american families and businesses from this looming tax hike. everyone agrees that that action is necessary. gregg: steve hayes, is the senior writer for "the weekly standard" and a fox news contributor. steve, great to see you. the deal being bandied about right now to raise taxes on higher earners actually doesn't appear to do anything
gregg: congressional leaders are on the floor right now talking about the fiscal cliff. this after senate majority leader harry reid said, yesterday, a significant distance remains in negotiations on resolving this. notwithstanding then about 48 hours of intense talks about spending and social security. >> i was really gratified to hear the republicans taking their demand for social security benefit cuts off the table. the truth is they should have never been on the table to begin with....
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. >> so despite its name, a lot of strategists say that the fiscal cliff will not hit the economy right away and that could give lawmakers some time to continue negotiating, perhaps, but it's unclear how long the market will tolerate that uncertainty. so, what if no deal is reached and no action is taken? >> well, heather, i actually believe that might be the best outcome of all. when we look at it, there's not really a cliff. what happens on wednesday morning, the first day of the year, we'll roll out of bed and put the gasoline in our car and go to work. so there's not going to be a big change immediately. there will be an increase in taxes, something that's already been agreed to. you know, 12 years ago they agreed to the bush tax cuts would have a sunset provisions and the cuts to spending that will occur were agreed to two years ago with the debt ceiling agreement. so they already have a compromise agreement, they're just trying to change that compromise. >> and speaking of change, what if a partial deal is reached, which is what we're talking about right now, through possibly that
. >> so despite its name, a lot of strategists say that the fiscal cliff will not hit the economy right away and that could give lawmakers some time to continue negotiating, perhaps, but it's unclear how long the market will tolerate that uncertainty. so, what if no deal is reached and no action is taken? >> well, heather, i actually believe that might be the best outcome of all. when we look at it, there's not really a cliff. what happens on wednesday morning, the first day of the...
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>> steve: fiscal cliff. >> juliet: okay. you're right. it's thrown out. lake superior state university, they said these are the worst that should be banned from the english language. fiscal cliff, spoiler alert,. >> steve: i like that one. >> juliet: bucket list. trending. and brian and i had no idea what this is, yolo. >> steve: you only live once, baby. >> juliet: or you lob. >> steve: time for sports. >> brian: it was a bad day for the country yesterday because you talk about a fiscal cliff and the markets reacting and it was bad to be an nfl coach that didn't make the playoffs. every time you turn around, someone is getting fired. seven coaches fired, five gm's fired. just in one day in 2012. the last day of 2012. among the casualties, chargers coach turner, eagles coach, expected months ago. bears coach, smith. the bills, browns and cardinals said good-bye to theirs. this is the fun part. fox sports.com learned the bears and eagles are looking at offensive coordinator of the broncos who helped peyton manning transform his career, as well as tim tebow
>> steve: fiscal cliff. >> juliet: okay. you're right. it's thrown out. lake superior state university, they said these are the worst that should be banned from the english language. fiscal cliff, spoiler alert,. >> steve: i like that one. >> juliet: bucket list. trending. and brian and i had no idea what this is, yolo. >> steve: you only live once, baby. >> juliet: or you lob. >> steve: time for sports. >> brian: it was a bad day for the country...
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losing ground for negotiation on deal for fiscal cliff so no surprise they are using hope for the future. "washington post"/abc news poll says 72% of the g.o.p. is fearful about what lies ahead in 2013. all right, so let's take a look at the 72% of republicans say they are very fearful, which is up by double digits than what they were i guess under president bush. so greg, are republicans more grounded in reason, they see the future as nail biter? >> greg: conservatives are vampire killers. liberals hate the vampire killers. so the republicans are terrified that the government is expanding. the vampires are hopeful. >> andrea: have you been watching "twilights >> greg: i have been home with the flu watching vampire movies. >> andrea: noah's neighbors were hopeful for the future, too. >> kimberly: they're hopeful because the guys got in. they are entitlement dancing over their head. i would be in a good mood, too. people who are realistics that earn a living and pull out the wallet to pay for stuff. you got worries. look at the numbers for holiday shopping. worst in four years. what does
losing ground for negotiation on deal for fiscal cliff so no surprise they are using hope for the future. "washington post"/abc news poll says 72% of the g.o.p. is fearful about what lies ahead in 2013. all right, so let's take a look at the 72% of republicans say they are very fearful, which is up by double digits than what they were i guess under president bush. so greg, are republicans more grounded in reason, they see the future as nail biter? >> greg: conservatives are...
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rick: just hours before the deal to avote the fiscal cliff, another financial crisis emerged right? treasury secretary tim geithner telling congress that the u.s. just reached its $16.4 trillion borrowing limit. he says the government is now employing, quote, extraordinary measures in order to avoid default, no word how lawmakers will resolve huge differences raising debt limit, the debt ceiling but it could be just a matter of weeks before the government defaults. heather: the supreme court's chief justice weighing in on the country's physical problems. saying the judicial branch gets a minuscule fraction of the nation's trillion dollar budget. it has already done its part when it comes to cost cutting. he is calling on the white house and congress to give enough funding to insure the federal judiciary can do its job. saying this. a significant and prolonged short fall in judicial funding would inevitably result in the delay or denial of justice for the people the courts serve. i therefore encourage the president and congress to be especially attentive to the needs of the judicial
rick: just hours before the deal to avote the fiscal cliff, another financial crisis emerged right? treasury secretary tim geithner telling congress that the u.s. just reached its $16.4 trillion borrowing limit. he says the government is now employing, quote, extraordinary measures in order to avoid default, no word how lawmakers will resolve huge differences raising debt limit, the debt ceiling but it could be just a matter of weeks before the government defaults. heather: the supreme court's...
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and we will be following the fiscal cliff talks tomorrow. and clayton, you'll be hear, right? >> clayton: i will. so send us any of your questions as well and your thoughts. our -- go to our web site for the after the show show. >> gretchen: happy new year, everybody. gregg: fox news alert. powerful winter storm bringing deadly weather. >> oh, wow. that is a tornado. jesus, look at that tornado. it is like two tornados. it is two funnels on the frowned. oh, lord. look at there. wow! look at that. gregg: the storm system that produced those tornados in parts of the south not done yet. now posing a potentially major roadblock for countless holiday travelers. hello, i'm gregg jarrett in for bill hemmer. >> i'm patti ann browne in for martha maccallum patti ann: local crews said there is only one thing that could have accused the damage. >> one thing they saw damage indicative of tornado damage. we had homes 90% destroyed. that doesn't happen with straight line winds. >> you have a lot of damage. people hurt and i went out with the skid steer. we rounded up equipment. we started o
and we will be following the fiscal cliff talks tomorrow. and clayton, you'll be hear, right? >> clayton: i will. so send us any of your questions as well and your thoughts. our -- go to our web site for the after the show show. >> gretchen: happy new year, everybody. gregg: fox news alert. powerful winter storm bringing deadly weather. >> oh, wow. that is a tornado. jesus, look at that tornado. it is like two tornados. it is two funnels on the frowned. oh, lord. look at...
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new developments in the effort to avert the fiscal cliff. coming up the policy democrats are now floating as a possible solution that they fiercely opposed during the bush administration. gregg: and the latest on a nasty winter storm over the midwest that's now on a collision course with the east coast. >> there is a small town maybe ten miles from here, love lady, and it blew the roof off of a bank into another house, that is a couple of structures. as far as i know there was a guy, he had a house maybe a mile from here and it totally took it down. [ all ] 3, 2, 1... [ male announcer ] as the year counts down, your savings can add up with the adt new year's sale. help protect your family with the advanced technology of adt starting at just $99 -- a savings of $300 plus 15% off accessories. but you must call before midnight january 2nd. more than a security system, adt can help let your family in from the cold even when you're away from home. adjust your thermostat remotely to help save energy and money. turn on the lights, even see that eve
new developments in the effort to avert the fiscal cliff. coming up the policy democrats are now floating as a possible solution that they fiercely opposed during the bush administration. gregg: and the latest on a nasty winter storm over the midwest that's now on a collision course with the east coast. >> there is a small town maybe ten miles from here, love lady, and it blew the roof off of a bank into another house, that is a couple of structures. as far as i know there was a guy, he...
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last call in hopes of rescuing off of the fiscal cliff. all that is getting debated is who is at fault and what is the president's plan. according to the white house there is no new proposal. >> and is russia vladimir putin playing with children's lives . what he just did. >>> and the newspapers that published the names of licensed gun owners. fox and friends starts right now. ♪ >> julia: hello, everybody. >> three days left. three days left before we go head first over the fiscal cliff. >> julia: before we talk about the fiscal cliff. you did cavuto. you did o'rielly or i mean not o'rielly. the five. today you have this show and then cavuto and then on the five. >> you will be on the five. >> julia: and then other things. >> it is one of those days. iclele ladies and gentlemen, eric bowling -- boling is the mara thon man. >> it is good to be here. >> julia: yes, it is good to be here. >> kelly: thank you for joining us this morning. >> julia: the headlines and fox news alert it appears russian president vladimir putin is trying to make
last call in hopes of rescuing off of the fiscal cliff. all that is getting debated is who is at fault and what is the president's plan. according to the white house there is no new proposal. >> and is russia vladimir putin playing with children's lives . what he just did. >>> and the newspapers that published the names of licensed gun owners. fox and friends starts right now. ♪ >> julia: hello, everybody. >> three days left. three days left before we go head first...
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. >> and that sets up the second fiscal cliff battle that washington will deal with and that is over the debt ceiling. explain that for folks who may not be following it. >> exactly. and you are right to point that out because these are two more battles really colliding with one another. kicking the can down the road, both parties on the sequester. two months from now we back here dealing with again whether or not they can come up with more spending cuts, more tax increases according to how the president is now saying it, he is saying it should be a split. he said that earlier at his event here that was criticized by republicans for looking like a campaign rally, looking like he was doing a victory lap. they deny that here and say the president was just rehe stating his principles here but he said this should be split between more are revenue and more spending cuts not just spending cuts. that is going to be controversial with republicans as you know. in two months they have to come back and buy down more of the sequester and shut it down more with more cuts and maybe more tax increa
. >> and that sets up the second fiscal cliff battle that washington will deal with and that is over the debt ceiling. explain that for folks who may not be following it. >> exactly. and you are right to point that out because these are two more battles really colliding with one another. kicking the can down the road, both parties on the sequester. two months from now we back here dealing with again whether or not they can come up with more spending cuts, more tax increases...
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on the fiscal cliff talks. right now staff discussions underway on the senate side trying to steer the country away from this fiscal cliff. >> dave: peter doocy is going to join us live from washington with the latest. peter from what we understand the house is initially left out of the discussion. so, something theoretically emerges from the senate and it's all on john boehner to find republican votes, is that where we are? >> reporter: where we are, we were told a few minutes ago discussions a way around the fiscal cliff at the staff level in the senate has begun for the day, only on the senate side. there's not much going on right now with the house of representatives. we heard yesterday though from some officials in the obama administration that senator mitch mcconnell, the senator minority leader has been working hard behind the scene, figuring how to get a deal done before monday at midnight and hearing talk in the senate that they want to tweak the obama plan and raise the threshold who the president say
on the fiscal cliff talks. right now staff discussions underway on the senate side trying to steer the country away from this fiscal cliff. >> dave: peter doocy is going to join us live from washington with the latest. peter from what we understand the house is initially left out of the discussion. so, something theoretically emerges from the senate and it's all on john boehner to find republican votes, is that where we are? >> reporter: where we are, we were told a few minutes ago...
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there's no natural segue for the fiscal cliff. come on back, clayton. >> juliet: it's fine. >> dave: we need your help to avert the fiscal cliff. congress back in session today and we understand, be careful, get your hazmat suit out. >> juliet: stop that now, come on. >> dave: we understand there's about a three o'clock deadline to present this new deal. we hear there may be some sort of a new deal coming out of the senate, when it comes to mitch mcconnell and harry reid presenting something, we don't know what, probably some sort of threshold around 4 or $500,000. >> and look on the table, the president sequestration and no one was going to have to deal with, they were going to get their act together months ago and now we're talking sequestration with two days left and 3 p.m., only hours left. >> dave: we'll have the latest with chris wallace in a couple of minutes. it's interesting as we near this fiscal cliff, the president signed an executive order that would give members of congress a raise, which is raise ago few eyebrows. >
there's no natural segue for the fiscal cliff. come on back, clayton. >> juliet: it's fine. >> dave: we need your help to avert the fiscal cliff. congress back in session today and we understand, be careful, get your hazmat suit out. >> juliet: stop that now, come on. >> dave: we understand there's about a three o'clock deadline to present this new deal. we hear there may be some sort of a new deal coming out of the senate, when it comes to mitch mcconnell and harry reid...
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right now what we're seeing in our fiscal cliff discussions is a lot of craziness, right? when money is out there and there is a limited amount of money you'll see a lot of weird things happen and you'll see that over a long period of time. this will not be the last headline you read about a municipality having to go through some sort of legal, you know, wrangling to try to get bond holders paid back or keep a pension going. that happens when you have a bad economy. and california is a terrible economy and the united states is right behind it. arthel: san diego figured it out. san jose figured it out. they restructured the pension payouts, why can't the other cities do that? >> that is a good yes question. and i think that's what it will come down to, who is running these organizations, why are they getting paid so much and who is making the decisions. at some point you'll see trustees come in and hopefully sounder minds. for right now you'll continue to hear this. even though san diego fixed theirs and san jose fixed theirs sometimes that is a little bit of -- we'll proba
right now what we're seeing in our fiscal cliff discussions is a lot of craziness, right? when money is out there and there is a limited amount of money you'll see a lot of weird things happen and you'll see that over a long period of time. this will not be the last headline you read about a municipality having to go through some sort of legal, you know, wrangling to try to get bond holders paid back or keep a pension going. that happens when you have a bad economy. and california is a terrible...